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Jim Litke: Yankees on verge of buying title No. 27By JIM LITKE AP Sports Columnist Updated: 11/02/2009 08:51:57 AM EST
PHILADELPHIA—Brian Cashman leaned against the wall just outside manager Joe Girardi's office as the best players money can buy milled about inside a quiet, but quietly confident, clubhouse. The longest-running gripe in baseball is the Yankees have so much cash that only they can afford to bury their mistakes, and since 1998, the still boyish-looking general manager has been the guy wielding the shovel. Late Sunday night, with New York just 27 outs from winning its 27th World Series—but first since 2000—the small smile that creased Cashman's lips was part relief, part I-told-you-so. It seemed to say, "You have no idea how hard it is to get value for your dollar." Cashman has shelled out more than $1.6 billion in salaries since a broken-bat single by Arizona's Luis Gonzalez looped lazily over a drawn-in infield and ended the Yankees' last dynastic run as the calendar turned over on a new century. Since then, he's lavished some of it on ballplayers who were great before they arrived in New York, and a few who were great after they left town. But he conceded that for all the time, research and cash invested in the process, he still hasn't figured out exactly why some thrive there and others leave town with tails tucked between their legs. And pitchers, he added, remain the most mystifying purchase of all. "But they're the key to the kingdom," Cashman said. "The last five, six, seven years have proven that beyond a doubt." The play that put the Yankees back within striking distance of another World Series championship, though, had nothing to with pitching. No. 2 hitter Johnny Damon singled with two outs and the score tied 4-4 in the top of the ninth of Game 4 off Phillies closer Brad Lidge. On the first pitch to Mark Teixiera, the next hitter, Damon took off for second. When a low throw from catcher Carlos Ruiz briefly handcuffed third baseman Pedro Feliz covering the bag, Damon popped up and alertly took off for third. A double by Alex Rodriguez put New York back in the lead, then Jorge Posada's two-run single provided more room for error than closer Mariano Rivera would need while shutting down the Phillies 1-2-3 to end the game. The reason the Phillies had no one even close to the base at third on Damon's romp is because they were overshifted on the left side of the infield to deal with Teixiera, a switch-hitter who was batting left-handed against the right-handed Lidge. Few players command that kind of respect, but Teixiera is one of them. That explains, in part, why the Yankees acquired him before the season and will pay Teixiera an average of $22.5 million this year and for seven more. And after batting in front of Tex and seeing teams employ the shift for an entire season, Damon knew he only needed a moment of daylight to know if the coast would be clear to keep running. "What I had to see before I could start running to third was how Pedro caught the ball," he said. "So I knew it drug him off some. "I'm just glad," he added, "that when I started running, I still had some of my young legs behind." Damon was a star in Boston, but in New York he's just a small piece of the puzzle. He's only the fifth highest-paid position player on their team, but at 35, few clubs could justify paying a player his age the $13 million Damon collects annually in New York. Those same clubs would have to scrimp and save for three years to buy just one player like Teixiera. But he was one of three stars the Yankees added this season—along with staff ace CC Sabathia and No. 2 starter A.J. Burnett—for $423.5 million. Burnett takes the mound Monday night, like Sabathia a day earlier, on three days' rest. His job is to buy the Yankees bats enough time to build a lead, then turn the game over to the middle relievers and eventually Rivera, arguably the most reliable final act in sports. If Burnett fails, the series shifts back to New York and the Yankees' new $1.5 billion baseball palace for Game 6, where the task falls to Andy Pettitte. That formula—great starting pitching, timely hitting and Rivera—produced four championships from 1996-2000. Only four players from those teams are still wearing pinstripes—Derek Jeter, Rivera, Posada and Pettitte—and maybe it's just coincidence, but all four bubbled up from within the Yankee organization. That foundation has given the Yankees the luxury to reload rather than rebuild. There are plenty of players whose skills might earn them a spot on one of the biggest stages in sports, but only a few with the toughness and desire to hold on to their places for long. Cashman has scanned the globe and spared no expense trying to find them. He knows only too well how rare those guys are. Toward the end of an interview, Rivera's name comes up and the GM's tone shifts almost to reverence. "A guy we gave very little money to, who came out of a small village in Panama and moved to the big city without ever once stumbling or losing his footing. For him to do what he did for as long as he has," Cashman said, "is incredible." __________________ Someday an official scorer will charge a pitcher with a fielding error on a slow bouncer to the mound and I will be stunned. |
| | nothingman Registered: March 27, 2006
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Reply with quote | #2 | Do Oriole fans feel like the 96 and 97 Orioles were trying to buy a championship?
Free Agents from the 97 team: Alomar Surhoff Randy Myers Rafael Palmeiro Mike Bordick Eric Davis
The 96 team had Bonilla and David Wells. __________________ - Michael
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| | rlc
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Quote: Originally Posted by nothingman Do Oriole fans feel like the 96 and 97 Orioles were trying to buy a championship? Absolutely. You left off Jimmy Key and Scott Kamieniecki. Bonilla and Wells were both acquired in trade, though. Given the way the O's farm system produced talent from '82 to '02, buying a pennant was the only option... |
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| | DavidL
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Quote: Originally Posted by NickinPANYY - best team money can buy ! Tell me I'm wrong !
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| | Kerry Registered: March 26, 2006
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Reply with quote | #6 | I'll have more to say about this topic in a Calculus that I hope to have up by the end of the weekend at the latest. __________________ --Kerry
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| | JeffO
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Quote: Originally Posted by Kerry I'll have more to say about this topic in a Calculus that I hope to have up by the end of the weekend at the latest.
No amount of research or statistics will convince me that the Yankees wealth and access to income was not responsible for producing ultimate success on the field. No other team could buy C.C., A.J., Tex, ARod, Matsui. Yes they have some home grown players. But they don't win without these. Plus all the failed signings that only they could afford (Pavano). __________________ Someday an official scorer will charge a pitcher with a fielding error on a slow bouncer to the mound and I will be stunned. |
| | OrangeOctober
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From Sports Blog Nation:Hate the Yankees, not baseball. by Grant on Nov 5, 2009 2:00 PM PST
So it begins. I’ll bold the following, just so you know that I’m not crazy. The Yankees have an inherent advantage. They committed hundreds of millions in one offseason to bring in C.C. Sabathia, Mark Teixeira, and A.J. Burnett, which is something that no other team can do. Signing those players is a big reason why the Yankees won a championship. The Yankees have an inherent advantage. So I’ll never argue that payroll doesn’t matter. But I was listening to KNBR, and the hosts were going off on baseball’s lack of competitive balance. (If a KNBR intern can leave the following on a post-it note on Bob Fitzgerald’s desk, that’d be just peachy: according to the USA Today, the Cardinals were 17th among MLB teams in payroll, the Rockies were 18th, and the Twins were 24th. So please retire the "seven out of the top eight payrolls made the playoffs" line. Thank you.) Yes, the Yankees had an advantage. It was a substantial advantage. But, like every single championship team, they needed a little luck to go along with their spending, drafting, and trading. 
The Yankees featured a starting lineup with four players who were 35 or older: Derek Jeter, Jorge Posada, Johnny Damon, and Hideki Matsui. Not only did all four stay healthy, but all four each had some of the best seasons of their respective careers. The Yankees deserve credit for developing Jeter and Posada, and they deserve credit for being able to separate the Damons from the Rowands, but having all four elder statesmen produce at the level they did is insane. And it wasn’t just the ballpark inflating their numbers; they all had legitimately fantastic seasons. The Yankees outperformed their Pythagorean projection by eight games, which is also pretty danged lucky. The bullpen was anchored by a 40-year-old, a homegrown prospect, a 17th-round pick, a minor league free agent, and a guy who put up a 5.9 K/9 in the Mexican League two years ago. That’s a testament to solid scouting and player evaluation; it’s also a big grab-bag of luck and fortuitous circumstances. Factor in some expected declines for any of the over-30 set, throw a couple of gas cans in the place of David Robertson and Alfredo Aceves, and the Yankees have a tougher road. You could do those kinds of hypotheticals until it gets ridiculous – "If Alex Rodriguez found a power ring on Ryxxl-4, he’d be a new Green Lantern, and he wouldn’t even play baseball." – but the larger point remains: Money, and money alone, isn’t all it takes to win a championship. There has to be a series of astute maneuvers – picking up Nick Swisher for a sack of doorknobs, not trading Melky Cabrera for Alan Embree, sticking with Robinson Cano after a down year – and a bunch of luck to go along with the money. So, yes, the Yankees had an advantage. They’re able to brush off contracts like Carl Pavano and Jaret Wright like no other team can. When something that was legitimately unlucky happened – Chien-Ming Wang going Scott Munter on the AL – it’s more than luck that the Yankees had $500B in offseason acquisitions to help round out the rotation. The, uh, Royals don’t have that luxury. But the Yankees didn’t win the championship last offseason. They haven’t already won the 2010 championship. Pretending anything differently is a disservice to baseball. The sport is fine, dammit. Congratulations, Yankees. Now go eat a bowl of scorpions and break your ankles while tripping over a pile of champagne bottles because you can all screw yourselves. You and your spoiled fans can all screw yourselves. Winning a single championship would warm my heart for decades. Decades. I just want one. Can you please just give us one of your 27, you greedy, imperialistic bastards? Great. Now I want to stab something. __________________ "Baseball is 90% mental; the other half is physical."--Yogi |
| | DavidL
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| | Meg Registered: March 26, 2006
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Reply with quote | #10 | I thought this paragraph from the SI story was the most interesting:
"There was a huge debate we were having before between us guys," Swisher added, "about whether winning creates fun, or fun creates winning. We never came up with a final answer. But either way, we've done both." I think winning creates the fun. Afterall, we O's fans know that losing isn't any fun.
Meg
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| | DavidL
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Reply with quote | #11 | I don't think it's as simple for the players as for the fans, Meg. And a guy like Swisher is just having fun playing baseball. But the 78 Yankees are an example of a team that won, but also really didn't have that much fun - Thurm and Reggie, Billy and Reggie, Pinella and everybody (it seemed) - there was alot of ruckus on that team. With the 2009 team, I think Girardi's cancelling a day of ST practice and taking the team to a pool hall really helped them come together and bond, which was a big factor in getting through the slow start and getting on a roll once ARod got back. __________________ Let me explain. No, there is no time. Let me sum up. |
| | JeffO
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Actually, yes: The Yankees certainly did buy the World SeriesFiled under: Media
I grew up in Milwaukee, the smallest city with its own Major League Baseball team. During my summer vacations from high school and college, I worked as a vendor at Milwaukee County Stadium, where the Brewers played before it was torn down and replaced by Miller Park. Not once during that time did the Brewers make the playoffs. In fact, starting in 1982, they went 26 years without a post-season appearance. Finally, last year, the Brewers sneaked in as a wildcard team, largely on the strength of C.C. Sabathia's superhuman pitching. Then the season ended, Sabathia signed with the Yankees, and the Brewers, who couldn't come close to matching the Yankees' seven-year, $160 million offer, resumed playing their usual sub-.500 ball. So you can imagine how it offended me, as a Milwaukeean and a Brewers fan -- nay, as a human being, dammit -- to read " The Yankees Didn't Buy the World Series," Andrew Zimbalist's editorial in News Corp's ( NWS) The Wall Street Journal on Monday. A pre-eminent sports economist, Zimbalist examines whether "the Yankees bought their trophy," and concludes that they didn't. This much Zimbalist is able to prove, to his own satisfaction, with a simple thought experiment: "[H]ow come the Yankees haven't won the fall classic since 2000, even though the franchise led the way in payroll each year and actually spent more last year (when it missed the playoffs) than it did this year?" You may have heard this line of reasoning before from, say, a smoker who defends his habit by telling you about his grandfather who totally smoked a pack a day for his whole life and lived to be 92. It's pure humbug, of course. The Yankees endured a shocking, tragic eight-year championship drought because baseball is not algebra: Chance plays a role, just as genetics plays a part in determining who ends up developing lung cancer. Zimbalist can't very well pretend he doesn't know this, so he seeks to minimize it. Having done the math, he asserts that "somewhere between 15% and 30% of the variance in team win percentage can be explained by the variance in team payroll." He states this as though 15% to 30% is not very much. Is it? Consider this: The difference between the Yankees' league-leading 2009 record (103-59) and the Brewers' not-quite-memorable one (80-82) was 23 games: 14.2% of a 162-game season. Zimbalist concludes, "Wealthy teams do have an advantage, but it is not true that they can buy championships." Wrong: It is absolutely true that they can buy championships. What they can't buy is any one specific championship, simply because money has no bearing on player health, team cohesiveness, strength of competition, or various other factors. All the stars still have to align. But a sufficiently large payroll can boost a team's chances to the point where it can win championships, say, a quarter of the time -- which is exactly what the Yankees have managed to do, absurdly, over the past 105 years. I can't blame Yankees fans for not wanting to alter this state of affairs. Well, actually, that's not true. Of course I blame them. Their willingness to benefit from a rigged system is killing baseball as America's pastime by suffocating enthusiasm for it in all the places that aren't New York. But if they're not going to agitate for change, the least they could do is acknowledge the shameful truth: Money buys titles. __________________ Someday an official scorer will charge a pitcher with a fielding error on a slow bouncer to the mound and I will be stunned. |
| | Kerry Registered: March 26, 2006
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Reply with quote | #13 | Ay corrumba. Does this guy read the Belfry?  __________________ --Kerry
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| | Meg Registered: March 26, 2006
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Reply with quote | #14 | Wasn't 1982 the year of Harvey's Wallbangers? If so, then the last sentence of his first paragraph is flat out wrong.
Meg
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| | Kerry Registered: March 26, 2006
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Quote: Originally Posted by Meg Wasn't 1982 the year of Harvey's Wallbangers? If so, then the last sentence of his first paragraph is flat out wrong.
Meg
No, the last sentence of the first paragraph is exactly right: 1982 to 2008...26 years between postseason appearances. __________________ --Kerry
Lightscapes Nature Photography - By Kerry Leibowitz - http://www.lightscapesphotography.com
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